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Opmerkingen[bewerken | brontekst bewerken]
Hallo. Gelieve dit artikel eens door te nemen. Dank. Kleuske (overleg) 25 jul 2012 16:08 (CEST)
- Betreft crosswikilinkspam voor bedrijf.
MoiraMoira overleg 25 jul 2012 16:22 (CEST)
My talk page is my property, right? I want to remove this banner. Could you somewhere else open an issue page if you think I am spammer or vandal, and also add all the cross wiki tools there, and don't bother me otherwise please. I don't see why you need put the banner on my talk page, especially since I didn't touch the Prolog article after Kleuske did the undo. I didn't enter into an edit war, so I feel a little bit treated we no respect at all, whereby on the other hand I payed respect to the NL Wiki. Janburse (overleg) 25 jul 2012 23:01 (CEST)
- No. Your talk page is not your property. You earned respect (if you are the same Jan Burse) in comp.lang.prolog. Still, talking dutch on the dutch wiki is hardly disrespecting anyone. Placing external links on lots of projects promoting your own work is disrespecting the encyclopedia, though. We're not a free advertisement site. Kleuske (overleg) 25 jul 2012 23:08 (CEST)
- I have respected the NL Wiki by not entering into an edit war with Kleuske. But a couple of NL Wiki users are not respecting me since they are throughing mud at me concering other projects, which might have another taste on putting links on certain pages. Janburse (overleg) 25 jul 2012 23:22 (CEST)
- Lemmesee... You come to the dutch wiki, refuse to acquaint yourself with local policies, demand all the locals speak a language to your convenience, then accuse a local rollbacker of editwarring and you still think that's not disrespecting nl.wikipedia? Come now... You have an IQ higher than that. Kleuske (overleg) 25 jul 2012 23:26 (CEST)
- I have respected the NL Wiki by not entering into an edit war with Kleuske. But a couple of NL Wiki users are not respecting me since they are throughing mud at me concering other projects, which might have another taste on putting links on certain pages. Janburse (overleg) 25 jul 2012 23:22 (CEST)
- Nobody has a right to call me a spammer. I added a Prolog system link to a Prolog page, that is all. And I didn't enter into an edit war. The banner is especially about edit wars, and was posted 16:22 some minutes after Kleuske explained his verdict. Otherwise the banner is useles, since Kleuske already explained on his talk page, why he tought the link irrelevant. Janburse (overleg) 25 jul 2012 23:29 (CEST)
Improving the Prolog Page[bewerken | brontekst bewerken]
I think you're right, Kleuske! Janburse, I see in your Gebruikersbijdragen you only edited overleggebruikerspages and Prolog(external links), and you made your own gebruikerspage. Please do something for wikipedia excl. external links. If you can't do this cause you can't speak dutch, please go to the english wikipedia. Sangam
- Are you kidding me? I just started using NL Wiki yesterday, how should I have a track record? And probably you mean excl. *only* external links contributions. A normal article has often external links. There is nothing evil in general about external links. The Prolog article on the NL Wiki is quite meager and probably out of date. It doesn't mention the following systems YAP (fastest Prolog system so far, influential, has JIT which SWI Prolog later adopted), tuProlog (another 100% Java Prolog besides mine), XSB (interesting tabling approaches), B-Prolog (has constraints on equal foot with GNU Prolog) etc.. to mention a few. The article could be improved by text and external links. Janburse (overleg) 26 jul 2012 12:29 (CEST)
- This nl-wikipedia not a chat-box. You have cost too many people too much energy. Please return tou your own language version and do something constructive there and stop this unproductive talk. Thank you for you understanding in advance. MoiraMoira overleg 26 jul 2012 12:36 (CEST)
- I don't think I am not constructive. The question is whether NL Wiki community, or those who have shown up here, are able to deal with critique. That the NL Wiki article about Prolog is a little outdate is no secret. Please also note that Strawberry Prolog is in Beta since 2008, according to Kleuske rules this should not be tollerated. Further there has been a corrigenda for the ISO Prolog core standard, which was recently been approved and which has no mention. Of course it is all matter of how deep an article should cover a topic, so one might forget about many issues. Janburse (overleg) 26 jul 2012 12:47 (CEST)
- The article aims (and i should know, since i aimed it) at explaining the basics of the language and its history to an audience that has no professional background in producing Prolog compilers, such as yourself. If you think the article is outdated or has other flaws, minor or major, you are invited to indicate that on the talk page of that article. I would be delighted by any suggestions to improve the article. The problems you hint at, however, are not remedied by placing a link to your own project. Kleuske (overleg)
- In my comment here and on the Prolog talk page, I have never indicated that YAP, XSB, tuProlog and B-Prolog need links to my Prolog systems. Also you are right when you say that I have no experience in compiler building for Prolog systems, since my system is an interpreter only system. But this is no lack, since recently interpreter only systems have overtaken old school WAM systems. For example the recent MinWG version of SWI Prolog takes ~4200ms in my benchmarks, whereas GNU Prolog takes ~5000ms Benchmark Results. So it currently happens what is supposed not to happen. SWI Prolog even runs faster with the -O option. SWI Prolog is also an interpreter only system. Janburse (overleg) 26 jul 2012 16:23 (CEST)
- The article aims (and i should know, since i aimed it) at explaining the basics of the language and its history to an audience that has no professional background in producing Prolog compilers, such as yourself. If you think the article is outdated or has other flaws, minor or major, you are invited to indicate that on the talk page of that article. I would be delighted by any suggestions to improve the article. The problems you hint at, however, are not remedied by placing a link to your own project. Kleuske (overleg)
- I don't think I am not constructive. The question is whether NL Wiki community, or those who have shown up here, are able to deal with critique. That the NL Wiki article about Prolog is a little outdate is no secret. Please also note that Strawberry Prolog is in Beta since 2008, according to Kleuske rules this should not be tollerated. Further there has been a corrigenda for the ISO Prolog core standard, which was recently been approved and which has no mention. Of course it is all matter of how deep an article should cover a topic, so one might forget about many issues. Janburse (overleg) 26 jul 2012 12:47 (CEST)
Calling me to "Piss off"[bewerken | brontekst bewerken]
- But please MoiraMoria, in case you are not fluent with Prolog, I don't see any point in you judging me. And also when a user like Sangam posts on my talk page, then it is not me who is talkative, and I have the least right to respond, as I have now responded to you MoireMoire. If you don't want me talking, don't post on my talk page. This is a talk page and not a one way waste container (Vuilnisbak) for whom ever it likes. Same for the banner. Janburse (overleg) 26 jul 2012 12:44 (CEST)
- See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Outing#User_space_harassment Janburse (overleg) 26 jul 2012 13:11 (CEST)
- Yes... Well... I'm delighted to inform you that the english language wiki makes rules for the english language wiki only. This is quite interesting in that they do not apply here. Much in the way the Germans have their rules and the French have theirs, we have ours. We apologize for the inconvenience, though. So if you've got nothing worthwhile to contribute, i'd like you to acquaint yourself with the curious dutch vernicular "opzouten". Kleuske (overleg) 26 jul 2012 15:48 (CEST)
- I have already recognized that you have a problem with respect. First of all you seem not to know what the difference is between reputation and respect when you mentioned comp.lang.prolog above. Reputation can be earned, but respect is elementary. I feel that by calling somebody on wikipedia to "piss off" is showing a severe lack of elementary respect. Janburse (overleg) 26 jul 2012 16:08 (CEST)
- Effe in't Nederlands:volgens mij heeft hij nog steeds niets gedaan behalve op overlegpagina's, zijn gebruikerspagina of Prolog. Sangam
Janburse, I've readed what you wrote on my overlegpage and I think you're right. Sorry.
- No problem. Maybe this video cheers you up:
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UciRrIubkq8 ? Janburse (overleg) 21 aug 2012 23:26 (CEST)
Externe links op Prolog[bewerken | brontekst bewerken]
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Dear Janburse, The external link or links you placed in one or several articles, such as Prolog, has or have been removed. Although we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, we strive to keep the number of external links at Wikipedia as low as possible. Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, and not a collection of links to other websites. We'd prefer it if you'd add any relevant encyclopedic information to the relevant article(s) itself. Thank you for your cooperation. Please note that adding the link again without discussing this first may be regarded as vandalism. Links such as these are better added to one of the various internet portals available. See also: Wikipedia:Welkom voor nieuwkomers & Wikipedia:Wanneer extern linken.
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MoiraMoira overleg 25 jul 2012 16:21 (CEST)