Overleg:Zu Mecklenburg von Carlow

Afstand van de titel Graf von Carlow

Op WP:DE wordt, zonder bronvermelding, beweerd dat in 1950 afstand werd gedaan van de titel Graf von Carlow. In alle door mij geraadpleegde, en overigens ook gezaghebbende en recente literatuur (hier als bron vermeld) wordt dit niet vermeld en worden beide titels voor de nakomelingen vermeld; dit laatste heb ik hier dan ook overgenomen. Paul Brussel (overleg) 29 jul 2018 17:34 (CEST)

Sorry for the English but as a a reference see Das Großherzogliche Haus Mecklenburg-Strelitz, ISBN 10: 3927292508, Publisher Sum Cuique Verlag, 1994, Page 107-108 "Nichtbeanstandung der Annahme des Prädikates “Hoheit ” durch Erklärung vom 18 . Dezember 1950. Fortfall des Namens “Graf von Carlow” 18. Dezember 1950."

By the way this family is members of the House of Mecklenburg-Strelitz since adoption in 1928 by Duke Carl Michael, officially recognised in 1950 by the House of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (whose boss at that time Frederik Frans van Mecklenburg was married into the lower German nobility to someone of equivalent rank to a Vanljarskaj or Rajewskaya in the Russian nobility) so I’m not sure its right to say they say are not “ebenbürtige” after 1928/1950, for example Le Petit Gotha, Page 198 confirms: “Bien qu'issu d'un mariage morganatique, Georges de Mecklembourg fut adopté par son oncle en 1928 et reconnu, en 1950, chef de la maison de Mecklembourg-Strelitz menacée d'extinction. Il avait une postérité de son premier mariage avec Irène Mikhlaïlovna Raievsky, issue de la noblesse russe (1892-1955).”

In all editions of the Almanach de Gotha 1998-present the family appear in Section 1. As I understand it’s only Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels (GHdA) (published 1951-2015) which put this family in Section 3 and which they never appeared again in after 1978. GHdA also made this error with Saxe-Coburg and Gotha as the children of Andreas van Saksen-Coburg en Gotha also wrongly appear in Section 3! See Page 524 of Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels (1978). - 2A00:23C4:8CD1:2701:BD8D:E365:89AD:8A12 13 jul 2019 16:42 (CEST)

The Almanach de Gotha (1998-) is not recognized as the most reliable source. Adoption doesn't imply that you are belonging to the ebenbürtige branch of the house. Andreas van Saksen-Coburg en Gotha and his children are placed in section I of the GHdA as well as in the GGH (2015) since his marriage was approved by the Head of the House and thus not morganatic. Paul Brussel (overleg) 3 aug 2019 14:10 (CEST)