Overleg Wikipedia:Growth Team-functies/Mentorlijst

Mentor dashboard coming soon to your wiki

Hello!

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Starting tomorrow (December 7), you will have access to Special:MentorDashboard.

This special page will list the newcomers who are assigned to you so that you can check if they do some edits or if the need help. This tool is still a work in progress. Some bugs may appear, please let me know if you find something strange.

Also, a new filter will be available for mentors. Mentors can monitor their mentees' activity in Watchlist and RecentChanges, so they can help support their mentees' work. For privacy reasons, this filter can't be accessed by someone else than the mentor itself. This filter only filters mentees assigned to the mentor. This filter is not visible for people who are not listed as mentors

In the future, we will add more functions to this Mentor page.

Please ping me if you have questions! Trizek (WMF) (overleg) 6 dec 2021 16:29 (CET)

Beschrijving ondersteunt geen wiki-opmaak

Ik zag op mijn Startpagina dat @Encycloon mijn mentor is en dat de link in zijn beschrijving, snelcursus, wordt weergegeven als [[Wikipedia:Snelcursus|snelcursus]]. Dit zal dan vast ook gelden voor de beschrijving van @Dajasj. Bij deze dan ook het advies die link uit jullie beschrijving te halen. Wellicht kan er wel voor gezorgd worden dat het in de toekomst ondersteund gaat worden? Groet, Ennomien (overleg) 6 jan 2022 10:27 (CET) Edit 10:29: oh haha, ik had zelf de link er ook in staan. Ik heb hem eruit gehaald.

Hmm, jammer. Misschien even aan WMF vragen of ze dat kunnen fixen? Dajasj (overleg) 6 jan 2022 10:32 (CET)

Weet jij hoe dat moet? :) Ennomien (overleg) 6 jan 2022 10:42 (CET)

@Trizek (WMF), we had a question. Is there a way to link to snelcursus in the mentorlist? We notice that we get a lot of simple questions that are addressed by our introduction. So often our reponse to mentees is to refer them to that introduction. Dajasj (overleg) 6 jan 2022 11:05 (CET)

@Dajasj, thank you for your question. At the moment, the mentor description doesn't process links, mostly for technical reasons: we don't want users to accidentally break the mentor list by adding some syntax that would break the process. We plan to improve this this year.

In the meantime, I think you should edit the list of links displayed on the Homepage so that all newcomers will have access to snelcursus. To do so, please go to Speciaal:EditGrowthConfig, section "Hulppaneel-links". These links are shown on the homepage, and on the help panel.

I can assis you on this if needed. Trizek (WMF) (overleg) 7 jan 2022 13:37 (CET)

Thanks for the quick response @Trizek (WMF)! :) I will look into it. I had another question, do you have any insight into the effectiveness of this program on the Dutch Wikipedia. We - mentors - notice that we often don't get a followup from mentees, so we're not sure if it is effective. Dajasj (overleg) 7 jan 2022 13:40 (CET)

Overall, new users are more engaged with Growth features (they edit more) but they are still not retained. We will soon provide the conclusion of the new study we conducted. I will soon have a better access to the data, so I will provide you a summary. Please ping me if I haven't provided it in, let's say, two weeks.

Not getting follow ups from mentees is a separate topic, I think. What I know about it, by observing multiple wikis, is that it is a global trend. Multiple factors can apply there:

• people don't know that they got a reply (the mentor forgot to mention them, for instance)
• people don't find the reply (talk pages aren't structured, so it is not always easy to find the message back)
• the reply is not satisfying, and they give up. Examples:
  • "sorry, but you can't add the source you have since its quality is not recognized",
  • or case of replies using a lot of jargon (too complicated),
  • or replies that contain a lot of links (they won't click as they expect an immediate answer),
  • or a reply that is off topic according to them (they ask about adding an image, and we tell them about licences and Wikimedia Commons)
  • etc.
• the user expected an immediate reply and, while not getting it, gave up
• some check on their Wikipedia account a few months after asking for this question, and the talk page has been replied since then (as a volunteer mentor at French Wikipedia, I have some mentees who only edit during their vacation)
• there is no follow up to the question because it was the right reply. A thank you would be nice, though. :)
• etc.

I hope it makes sense. Trizek (WMF) (overleg) 7 jan 2022 13:53 (CET)

Have you recently checked if all mentors are active?

Hello!

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One of the goals of the Growth features is to create a connexion between newcomers and experienced users. This way, you can help promising newcomers to become more active users, but you can also discourage spammers to edit. :) As a consequence, it is important to have active mentors. We encourage your community to check if mentors are currently active. If they are not active, please consider to remove them from the list.

You have access to Special:MentorDashboard, to check on how the mentees assigned to you are going. Soon, we will provide anew module on this page. This new module will allow you to set yourself as away (for instance when you go on vacation), or to define the number of newcomers you want to take care of.

We have recently found some mentor descriptions that were not working. Please also check if the descriptions on the mentor list exceed 240 characters, or if they include HTML, CSS or wikitext. If it is the case, please note that these descriptions won't work. This may not apply to your wiki.

If you have any questions or suggestions, please post them below (don't forget to ping me, please), or directly at the Growth team page (in any language). You can also subscribe to the Growth newsletter, or check on our FAQ.

Please share this message with all mentors.

Thank you for your help! And thank you for being mentors. :) Trizek (WMF) (overleg) 14 feb 2022 18:51 (CET)

An important update regarding the list of mentors

Hello

This is an important information about the list of mentors. Sorry to use English. Help met het vertalen in uw taal.

Starting October 26, 2022, the list of mentors will be upgraded. The mentorship system will continue to work as it does now.

Why this change?

At the moment, the mentor list is a simple page anyone can edit, unless it’s protected.

We have observed some cases where mentors were not following the instructions, which generated some mistakes. The old syntax [[user:Name]]|Description is confusing and won't be used anymore.

Also, this new system will make the development of new features for mentors much easier.

What will change?

We will add a new special page to your wiki: Special:ManageMentors.

The page where mentors are currently listed will be edited. The list of mentors will be replaced by {{Special:ManageMentors}}, the rest of the page will not be changed.

If your wiki has a separate list of mentors for workshop mentors, this list will be converted as well.

What are the new features?

After the upgrade, new mentors will signup by visiting Special:MentorDashboard. At this page, mentors can change the number of mentees they take care of, mark themselves as away or quit.

The new system prevents users who made less than 500 edits and who created their account less than 30 days ago to become mentors. These values can be changed by the community on special:EditGrowthConfig.

Special:ManageMentors will list all mentors, and the last time they edited. It will look like a table (example). This special page can be transcluded to any page (example).

Mentors will edit their description and settings directly at Special:MentorDashboard. Administrators will be able to edit any mentor's description and settings at Special:ManageMentors, or remove a mentor from the list of mentors. This will reassign all newcomers the mentor has to other mentors.

What mentors have to do?

No action is needed regarding your inscription to the mentors list.

You will have to update the description of the list of mentors, to remove the old instructions and explain the new sign-up process to become a mentor.

When will it happen?

The deployment will happen starting October 26, after 13:00 UTC. The change will be made by Martin Urbanec (WMF).

How can we know more about it?

The project page, documentation and FAQ have been updated. These pages can be translated.

Of course, if you have any question about this upgrade, please ping me!

Dank u. Trizek (WMF) (overleg) 19 okt 2022 21:05 (CEST)