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Ping @ Gebruiker:Frank Geerlings, Gebruiker:Mbch331, Gebruiker:Romaine: I recently requested a list of the most used templates in nl.wiki articles. It is now available on Phabricator, and (although it's not perfect) I hope it will be useful to determine which templates may get a priority to have TemplateData information added (feedback is always welcome on the tool which was added almost 1 year ago to make adding TD easier).

Adding TemplateData is one of the steps we included in a "checklist" we made a while on mediawiki.org, which is intended to guide communities in their journey to make VE a great editing option for their wiki - hope it helps as well. (I have also requested a list of the most referenced domains for this wiki, so you can also improve Citoid's behavior, and I'll let you know when it's ready.)

Ping @ Gebruiker:Ad Huikeshoven: The recent thread on wikimedia-l made me think of you! Are there any reports for activities where you have already successfully shown VE? If so, I'd love to read them. In the meanwhile, please see if there's anything at mw:VisualEditor/GIFs that could be useful in activities where VE features are shown to new editors.

Best, Elitre (WMF) (overleg) 11 aug 2015 13:50 (CEST)[reageren]
I'm checking the list and making a quick check based on the name if Template data is needed and I ran accross some strange values. I ran accross: {{#property}} (with Wikidata property id's). That isn't a template, but Wikidata access. And Formatnum: (with several different values) and {{{1}}}. Mbch331 (Overleg) 11 aug 2015 14:39 (CEST)[reageren]
Gebruiker:Mbch331, yup, as I said, the list is unfortunately not perfect as it features things which are not templates. But it's still valid. Maybe copy/pasting it on a page here would help, so people can strike out faster everything which is not relevant? Thanks for your work! Elitre (WMF) (overleg) 11 aug 2015 14:48 (CEST)[reageren]
De tabel is te vinden op Wikipedia:Visuele tekstverwerker/Templatedata controle.Ik heb 3 kolommen gepakt:
  1. Naam sjabloon
  2. Heeft dit sjabloon template data nodig? (- wil zeggen dat het geen sjabloon is, Nee wil zeggen dat er geen templatedata nodig is, ja wil zeggen dat er templatedata nodig is, ? wil zeggen dat ik het niet weet en dat dit nog gecontroleerd moet worden)
  3. Is er al templatedata aanwezig. Voor de meeste sjablonen is dit nog niet ingevuld, omdat dit een handmatige controle behoeft.
Vul aan of corrigeer mij waar nodig. Mbch331 (Overleg) 11 aug 2015 16:04 (CEST)[reageren]
@User:Mbch331, hey :) Not sure if you noticed the further edits we made there (my colleague in particular made it easier for you to check the templates by wikilinking them). Hope that helps, Elitre (WMF) (overleg) 2 okt 2015 16:18 (CEST)[reageren]
Totally forgot about this. Just checked all templates that need TemplateData until letter C and marked which did or did not have TemplateData. Sometime I come across templates that don't have TD and I know I use it regularly, I open the template in a seperate tab so I can immediately add the TD. But there are a lot that still need TD. But VE isn't widely used here I think, which makes that the users don't notice templates have no description. Mbch331 (Overleg) 2 okt 2015 17:28 (CEST)[reageren]
User:Mbch331, thanks a lot. I'm curious if the most common ones (like Cite ones, infoboxes for people, etc.) are covered by now. Do you know other people who could add TD (other than Romaine, I mean) who I forgot to ping? Thanks, Elitre (WMF) (overleg) 8 okt 2015 13:22 (CEST)[reageren]
I don't know who can do it. I think I do most of them nowadays. Mbch331 (Overleg) 8 okt 2015 14:10 (CEST)[reageren]
I haven't contributed to the list, but I have added TemplateData sections to perhaps one or two templates at some point in time before the list was assembled, so I know how to do it. That was the question, right? Although I use VE quite regularly, when I have to do something with templates in existing articles I just use the oldskool code edit, because it's just too cumbersome to do that in VE, TemplateData or not. –Frank Geerlings (overleg) 8 okt 2015 21:26 (CEST)[reageren]
Frank Geerlings, that was the question, yes :) Can you give me a few examples of templates which have already TemplateData but you still feel like it's easier for you to add them with the wikitext editor (I'm curious)? Also, seems to me that the "Cite news" and "Cite journal" templates are not so widely used at this wiki: am I correct in assuming that's because plain, generic <ref> tags are suggested/encouraged in those cases, or can you point me to the "actual" templates which are being used? Thank you :) Elitre (WMF) (overleg) 13 okt 2015 18:19 (CEST)[reageren]
It's not so much the templates themselves but the fact that whitespace (in the wiki syntax code, not the rendered version) around the place the templates are messed up 9 out of 10 times. For instance, when you add something to the end of an article, say a navigation template, the templates and categories will be strung up on one line. This will make it harder for people to edit the page in the old non-visual way. I personally don't care much about that, but certain individuals get their feathers ruffled up rather easily when the wiki code in articles is not perfect. These also happen to be the same people that are not very welcoming to the idea of there being a less-than-perfect Visual Editor released to the general public. This is why I avoid these kinds of edits. Or rather, I attempt them with Visual Editor, I see them fail and then I switch to oldskool editing mode.
With regard to {{Cite news}} et al: these are English templates (templates on enwiki). They work here, but {{Citeer nieuws}} is much preferred. But even those are not too common. They are harder to write than just typing a plain URL and a description, and there is not really any individual or movement promoting their use. In fact, on this wiki we're happy to see reference to sources mentioned at all. Complaining about the way the references are entered is a bit of a bridge too far at this point in time. –Frank Geerlings (overleg) 16 okt 2015 11:56 (CEST)[reageren]
I was actually referring to local versions of "Cite news" and "Cite journal", sorry for not being clear enough, and thanks for the context that you just care that content is sourced somehow, because that's great information! Elitre (WMF) (overleg) 16 okt 2015 19:13 (CEST)[reageren]

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