Wikipedia:De kroeg/Archief/20171002

Van wie is dit beeldhouwwerk?

Smiley.toerist (overleg) 14 sep 2017 22:28 (CEST)

Javier Marin. --bdijkstra (overleg) 14 sep 2017 22:58 (CEST)

Het staat op zijn kop. - ArjanHoverleg 20 sep 2017 12:22 (CEST)

Het hoofd staat op z'n kop, maar het kunstwerk staat rechtop (op z'n pootjes). --bdijkstra (overleg) 20 sep 2017 12:36 (CEST)

- ArjanHoverleg 25 sep 2017 09:55 (CEST)

Discussion on synced reading lists

Discussion on synced reading lists

Hello,

The Reading Infrastructure team at the Wikimedia Foundation is developing a cross-platform reading list service for the mobile Wikipedia app. Reading lists are like bookmark folders in your web browser. They allow readers using the Wikipedia app to bookmark pages into folders to read later. This includes reading offline. Reading lists do not create or alter content in any way.

To create Reading Lists, app users will register an account and marked pages will be tied to that account. Reading List account preferences sync between devices. You can read the same pages on different mobile platforms (tablets, phones). This is the first time we are syncing preference data between devices in such a way. We want to hear and address concerns about privacy and data security. We also want to explain why the current watchlist system is not being adapted for this purpose.

Background

In 2016 the Android team replaced the simple Saved Pages feature with Reading Lists. Reading Lists allow users to bookmark pages into folders and for reading offline. The intent of this feature was to allow "syncing" of these lists for users with many devices. Due to overlap with the Gather feature and related community concerns, this part was put on hold.

The Android team has identified this lack of synching as a major area of complaint from users. They expect lists to sync. The iOS team has held off implementing Reading Lists, as syncing was seen as a "must have" for this feature. A recent technical RfC has allowed these user stories and needs to be unblocked. Initially for Android, then iOS, and with web to potentially follow.

Reading lists are private, stored as part of a user's account, not as a public wiki page. There is no sharing or publishing ability for reading lists. No planned work to make these public. The target audience are people that read Wikipedia and want to bookmark and organize that content in the app. There is a potential for the feature to be available on the web in the future.

Why not watchlists

Watchlists offer similar functionality to Reading Lists. The Reading Infrastructure team evaluated watchlist infrastructure before exploring other options. In general, the needs of watchlists differ from Reading Lists in a few key ways:

• Reading lists focus on Reading articles, not the monitoring of changes.
• Watchlists are focused on monitoring changes of pages/revisions.
  • The Watchlist infrastructure is key to our contributor community for monitoring content changes manually and through the use of automated tools (bots). Because of these needs, expanding the scope of Watchlists to reading purposes will only make the project harder to maintain and add more constraints.
• By keeping the projects separate it is easier to scale resources. We can serve these two different audiences and prioritize the work accordingly. Reading Lists are, by their nature, less critical to the health of Wikipedia/MediaWiki.
• Multi-project support. Reading Lists are by design cross-wiki/project. Watchlists are tied to specific wikis. While there have been many discussion for making them cross-wiki, resolution is not in the near term.

More information can be found on MediaWiki.org where feedback and ideas are welcome.

Thank you

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20 sep 2017 22:35 (CEST)

Kan iemand me misschien in begrijpelijke taal kort uitleggen waar dit over gaat? Natuur12 (overleg) 21 sep 2017 17:05 (CEST)

Er komt een nieuwe feature voor off-line lezen van artikelen op mobiele apparaten. Alleen snap ik niet wat er nu van ons verwacht wordt, want het bericht begint met "Discussion on", maar ik zie nergens geen verwijzing naar een echte discussie. --bdijkstra (overleg) 21 sep 2017 17:23 (CEST)

A, bedankt! Natuur12 (overleg) 21 sep 2017 17:37 (CEST)

Korte vertaling. De iOS app heeft al jaren een "Bewaarde pagina's" function en de Android app heeft al een tijdje een "Lees lijst" functie waarbij je deze opgeslagen pagina's ook kan ordenen etc etc... Daar kan je artikelen opzetten, en dan kan je ze offline ook lezen. Nu blijkt echter dat mensen het superirritant vinden als ze op het ene device een leeslijst maken, en dan vervolgens deze lijst niet op hun 2e of x'st device terugvinden (das niet wat je bij apps verwacht). Het plan is om de functies van de iOS app en de Android app dichter bij elkaar te brengen en meer robust te maken. Nou is er in het verleden nogal wat tumult geweest over een extensie genaamd Gather. Daarbij kon je ook een pagina verzameling maken, en die ook delen met anderen. Dat leverde nogal wat vragen op, omdat de gemeenschap door die deelmogelijkheid die lijsten ook moest gaan monitoren op ongewenst gedrag etc etc. Deze nieuwe functie is echter volledig prive voor de gebruiker (net als een watchlist en je instellingen) en zou deze problemen dus niet moeten hebben. Oftwel de opslag gaat van het device naar de servers, en de functionaliteit wordt onderdeel van MediaWiki, app specifiek. Deze functie komt eerst naar Android, later naar iOS en uiteindelijk ook naar de (iig mobiele) web versie. En we mogen commentaar leveren. TheDJ (overleg) 22 sep 2017 00:56 (CEST)

CKoerner, WHERE are we invited to discuss ? Talk page on mw ? or right here ? TheDJ (overleg) 22 sep 2017 01:03 (CEST)

Bedankt voor de samenvatting en de nodige context, TheDJ. Volgens mij worden we op MediaWiki uitgenodigd mee te discussiëren: "More information can be found on MediaWiki.org where feedback and ideas are welcome" –Frank Geerlings (overleg) 23 sep 2017 13:21 (CEST)

Hallo, TheDJ, the page on mw would be preferable, but if you want to talk here I'm happy to do so. CKoerner (WMF) (overleg) 25 sep 2017 17:11 (CEST)

Tech News: 2017-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Wikitext syntax highlighting is a beta feature on Wikimedia wikis with text written from left to right. This beta feature is based on CodeMirror. You can now search through the entire article with CTRL+F or cmd+F when you edit. Before it just searched through a part of the article. The developers are also fixing a couple of other bugs. [1][2]
• Administrators on wikis that use Structured Discussions as a beta feature or by default can now create and move Structured Discussions boards. Structured Discussions was previously called Flow. [3]

Changes later this week

• You now get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account and fails. If they try from a device or IP address that have logged in to your account before you will be notified after five failed attempts. For security reasons you will soon get an email by default when someone tries to log in to your account and when someone logs in to your account from a new device or IP address. This can be turned off in your preferences. [4]
• Users with extremely old browsers (for example Netscape 2–4, released from 1995–1997) which do not support Unicode will no longer be able to edit. They should try to install a new browser. [5]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 September. It will be on all wikis from 28 September. (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 27 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Wikimedia Foundation Readers department has proposed changing the mobile website. You can read more on mediawiki.org. This would be a big change.
• You can't use OCG to create PDFs after 1 October. This is because of technical problems. You can still create PDFs. Tech News 2017/37 said the function to create PDFs from books would still work. It is now clear it will not work for the next few months. The developers are working on fixing this. You can read more on mediawiki.org.

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25 sep 2017 17:59 (CEST)