Overleg gebruiker:E4024

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1. 14 okt 2014 10:24 (CEST) copyvio afbeelding plaatsen op Twitter
2. 24 okt 2014 15:18 (CEST) overbodige foto met onjuist onderschrift plaatsen op Suikerboon
3. 21 nov 2014 15:23 (CET) afbeeldingsgeknutsel en onjuist categorie plaatsen op Turks brood
4. 26 nov 2014 09:26 (CET) turkse pov-pushing via afbeelding op Kajmak
5. 8 dec 2014 13:55 (CET) Agressieve taal naar andere gebruiker
   • - 1 dag afkoelblok
6. 8 dec 2014 14:28 (CET) overlegantwoord verwijderen van deze pagina
7. 8 dec 2014 14:32 (CET) dossier verwijderen van deze pagina

Thanks for the welcome

I have not made even one disruptive edit in these pages. I have only added pictures and I don't see any problem with most of them. (Only one was eliminated from Commons for a copyright issue. Since then I only use my own work here.) I am very disappointed with the above warning that I did not deserve at all. I was not really waiting for thanks for my contributions like in Turkse but at least a welcome, yes. All the best to Dutch WP contributors and readers. E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 12:45 (CET)

Hi, I just had a look at what you've done and what the warnings here are for. The added photo at Suikerboon is not really an addition as it is less obvious, plus a third photo in such a short article is a bit too much. The additions on Turks brood were not correct. And your comment in the edit summary on Kajmak was very Point of View. Dqfn13 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:15 (CET)

So I deserved a "last warning"? What do you think about a welcome message being removed from my talk page by the same user? Are you trying to protect WP or a friend's back? When you warn them not to remove welcome messages from new users' talk pages I will respect you even more and will pay more attention to your words.Thank you all the same, at least for making an effort to communicate with a confused user. E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:26 (CET)

I'm not going to give you my opinion as I want to stay objective. I only told you what MoiraMoira told you, accept I used more words. It is common practice on nlwiki to remove a welcome message in case of adding a "dossier" with warnings in case of vandalism and such, so removing the welcome message was correct. Paying attention to any of the words written to you would be a smart thing to do, as all users commenting here are experienced users on the nlwiki. Dqfn13 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:52 (CET)

Disruptive user

This one? Not for me, thanks. E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:30 (CET)

Turkse keuken

Hi E4024. I think the article Turkse keuken is a mess, mainly because of the images. I will reduce the number of them shortly. I hope to find commonscats to link to the images. Regards, Sander1453 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:32 (CET)

You can make a "gallery". Food enters through the eye. Also give me some time to remove a few of the images, not the best ones of course. Thanks. E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:34 (CET)

I will make a gallery, but I see you have already started. I will wait till you're done. Thanks. Sander1453 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:42 (CET)

I thank you. I am trying to eliminate, first of all, pictures that do not belong to Turkish food (like (Armenian basturma"). I also took out helva or halva, which is something you buy. Give me time and I will leave this much better. E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:45 (CET)

Don't push it. Removing "Armenia" may look like POV-pushing. Carefull. Sander1453 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:50 (CET)

I am not removing Armenia. I am removing "Armenian basturma". This is not the "Armenian cuisine" article. If we need to put a "pastırma" pic, it should be from Turkey. (I will show you the real Turkish pastırma from Kayseri, wait.) I have no intentions to POV-pushing in anything, BTW. E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 13:53 (CET)

Removing a picture because the dish is a Turkish or Armenian "type" is POV. For instance: a pizza margherita is a pizza margherita no matter if it was made in Italy or in Japan. Dqfn13 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:10 (CET)

Thanks for the lesson. Why did "you" (I just came here) have a red link for "beyaz peynir" then? Why did you not make it a redirect to feta? I read everywhere that feta has to have certain amount of goat milk. That means feta and Turkish white cheese are not the same thing. I may send you a copy of my book on Turkish cuisine one day. (Or not, depends.) E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:17 (CET)

I removed the cheese because the old photo shows the same kind of cheese and that photo is of better quality. The new photo only shows a whitish circular lump on a dish. Details are not shown because the quality of the photo is bad. Dqfn13 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:29 (CET)

It is not a question of quality of picture. If you allow me now I have other articles to write, like these here or those here. Good-bye. E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:36 (CET)

I am one of four admins who is busy with your actions... your photo os of poor quality, but the photo of the Greek feta was of high quality and yes, removing a high quality foto for a poor one on which it is hard to see what you are looking at... that's not in improvement. Dqfn13 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:44 (CET)

By the way: you've put (your) Beyaz Peynir in the commonscat "Feta" yourself. Sander1453 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 15:48 (CET)

Block

Hi E4024, you have been given kind and to-the-point explanation why some of your edits were reverted. You should be aware that your lack of knowledge and understanding of the Dutch language is posing some severe difficulties. You are not able to discuss matters in Dutch, which hampers communication. You also are unable to fully understand the context of the articles you're editing. You were already kindly advised to seek for better opportunities on enwiki or trwiki, projects were you can at least communicate in a meaningful way. You choose not to do so and continu your activities here.

I see you are protesting now, not listening to the good advise you were given. As you now go on expressing aggressive messages to the users who try to correct your contributions in order to protect this project against unskilled edits, I have removed your editing rights for one day, in order to give you time to cool down and rethink your behaviour. WIKIKLAAS overleg 8 dec 2014 14:15 (CET)

Are you intending to do something about the user who removed a welcome message from my page? Are you intending to restore that message back to where it belongs? Maybe then I will read you more carefully. Thanks for the block. --E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:20 (CET)

Hi that was me. No language version of wikipedia is a place to persevere in pov-pushing whether Turkish, Armenian, Kurdish, Greek or whatever. Engaging in food labelling wars is not wished for. Since you obviously cannot contribute in this language and have problems with neutrality I advise you to stop editing here seeing the problems you encountered. Your edits harm this wikiversion. To give you more information you will find the english languaged version below now.Regards, MoiraMoira _overleg 8 dec 2014 14:23 (CET)

You may only use your talk page to discuss your block. If you continue to use this talk page for removing comments, removing the dossier etc., you're talk page access will be removed as well. You may continue you’re discussion with Dqfn13 of course since that discussion is related to your block. Natuur12 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:35 (CET)

Natuur12, can I remove the unwanted contributions of a user unwanted in my page after the block is over? (I hope asking a clarification is not disruption.) Thanks for your reply. E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:43 (CET)

As lng as it doesn't give an unfair reproduction of the facts, yes, but it is considered rude. You may not remove the dossier and the list of warnings however. Natuur12 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:45 (CET)

It has nothing to do with facts. It is about removing a rude person's rude actions; therefore I do not see it as rude. Normally I am a very kind person. Good-bye. E4024 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:48 (CET)

Removing the dossier is not allowed, the warnings to stop your actions have been given to you by MoiraMoira who is an admin on this wikiversion. The warnings are officialand show your unwanted actions so admins who have not participated in the discussions can see what you've done and right now also why you are blocked. Dqfn13 (overleg) 8 dec 2014 14:57 (CET)

It is normal procedure to welcome a new user. It is, on the other hand, also normal procedure on this wiki, to replace the welcome message with a warning and a dossier, when a user is misbehaving. It may very well be that you are not aware of the peculiarities and uses on this project, but that is no reason for reacting this aggressively.

When you state: "Normally I am a very kind person" you at least implicitely admit yourself that you are not being kind right now. That's why I blocked you for one day. WIKIKLAAS overleg 8 dec 2014 15:09 (CET)

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